I was born into a family of famous gay pagan authors in the late Sixties. My mother was Marion Zimmer Bradley, and my father was Walter Breen. Between them, they wrote over 100 books: my mother wrote science fiction and fantasy (Mists of Avalon), and my father wrote books on numismatics: he was a coin expert.
What they did to me is a matter of unfortunate public record: suffice to say that both parents wanted me to be gay and were horrifed at my being female. My mother molested me from ages 3-12. The first time I remember my father doing anything especially violent to me I was five. Yes he raped me. I don’t like to think about it. If you want to know about his shenanigans with little girls, and you have a very strong stomach, you can google the Breendoggle, which was the scandal which ALMOST drummed him out of science fiction fandom.
More profoundly, though was his disgust with my gender, despite his many relationships with women 
and female victims. He told me unequivocally that no man would ever want me, because all men are secretly gay and have simply not come to terms with their natural homosexuality. So I learned to act mannish and walk with very still hips. You can still see the traces of my conditioning to reject my femininity in my absolute refusal to give in and my outspokenness, and my choice of theatrical director for much of my life. But a good part of my outspokenness is my refusal to accept the notion that “deep down I must be a boy born in a girl’s body.” I am not. I am a girl reviled for being a girl, who tried very hard to be the “boy” they wanted.
Suffice to say I was not their only victim of either gender. I grew up watching my father have “romances” (in his imagination) with boys who were a source of frustration because they always wanted food and money as a result of the sex they were subjected to, and didn’t want HIM. (OF COURSE!) I started trying hard to leave home when I was ten, after the failure of my first suicide attempt, and to intervene when I was 13 by telling my mother and her female companion that my father was sleeping with this boy. Instead of calling the cops, like any sensible human being, they simply moved my father into their apartment, which I called “The Love Nest” and they moved back into our family home.
Naturally that made things much worse. I had already been couch-surfing at the home of my directors from the Renaissance Faire for some time, but nobody could take me all the time. As might be imagined, where my father was, there were teenaged boys, drugs, and not a whole lot of food, though I wasn’t really starved in my teens once my mother’s books began to sell really well. I lived all kinds of places as a teen, though I moved back in with my father when I started college.
One day he brought an eleven year old boy to stay with us for a week, with his mother’s permission, which horrified me. I made sure he had a room and bedding. When I saw my father holding him upside down kissing him all over, and saw the porn books out, I called my counselor who had already agreed to call the cops if I ever saw anything happen, and my father was arrested. For that offense, he was given three years of probation. However, word got around, and a man who had given him a place to stay in Los Angeles realized his son was of the age to be a target, and asked questions, which resulted in my father’s conviction on 13 counts of PC 288 A, B, C, and D. (Suffice to say that these are varying kinds of forcible sexual offenses that should never be committed on anyone, let alone a child!)
He died in prison in 1993, after my initial report in 1989. It should be noted that far from being a first offender, his first arrest had been in 1948, when he was 18.
As might be imagined, although my mother was perfectly well aware of my father’s crimes, and so was my “stepmother,” I was disbelieved almost up to the moment of his conviction, and discounted as “hysterical.” Again, much of that is in the public record: my mother’s cold indifference and my stepmother’s pretense of complete lack of responsibility is sickening in and of itself. Her words ought to suffice. She knew what he wanted to do.
At no time did I try to get justice for myself, because in my moral structure I was the protector of others and I loved my father very much. So although I thought I could forgive my father for what he did to me, in no way did I think it was my place to forgive him for what he did to someone else, and his latest victim was not a hooker, but an innocent child who was very badly hurt.
In any case, where my family had closed ranks around my father to protect him, more recently they’ve closed ranks around my nameless male relative, who stands accused of molesting his ex-boy-lover’s kids, whom he thinks of as his “grandchildren” as he “adopted” his boy-lover as his “son.” Yes I know, that is so sickening it is hard to read, and I am very sorry. Once more I am marginalized, called “crazy” and “hysterical” because after all, why would someone with a long history of molesting teenaged boys keep doing it? So as I did when I turned my father in, I’ve moved away. I made a police report, as did my students, who were horrified by what he said about his “grandkids.”
Now it should be noted that boy lovers do not think of what they are doing as “molestation.” To them it is sex, they imagine it is consensual, and any objections will certainly be overridden by the orgasms they are certain they can produce, and it is the shame of these orgasms that silences the boy-victims, and persuades them they “must” be gay. (Regardless of subsequent heterosexual marriages and children.)
Apparently, 33 reports against my nameless male relative for pedophilia were not enough, and he’ll skate on all this. Not my circus: not my monkeys. I did what I could, and I am easy to find, if ever I am needed to testify. Pardon my fatalism, but serial sexual offenders don’t stop, and there is likely to be another victim. Either someone will come forward, or he’ll offend again, or perhaps, being that he is older, he’ll pass on before he ever has any consequences.
Between the time of my reports of father’s offense and my nameless male relative’s, I went and got a Bachelor of Music Performance, and had a career as a wedding harpist and singer, then I married and had children, then I got a Master of Music Performance, and since 2007 I have mainly taught voice and harp and directed operas with two opera companies I founded: one in Southern CA and one in Northern CA. I also made an album of Celtic music. Yet I’ve always been dissatisfied with my career: artists need to tell their story, and mine was rather too ugly to be told.
Yes, I stupidly returned to Northern CA. My beloved cousin’s wife was dying of cancer and I wanted to be part of a family, hoping that since my father was dead his evil might have died with him. I was wrong.
Last June, (2014) a blogger named Deirdre Saoirse Moen asked me if there was any truth to the rumors about my parents, and I told her yes, that both of them had molested me and my brother as well as a HOST of other children, and I sent her two poems that I had written about that, never having breathed a word about what they had done to me in public before.
She printed my emails and poems on her blog, which promptly went to 92 countries around the world, to my utter shock. I was flooded with letters from survivors of sexual abuse, all of which I tried to answer promptly with sympathy and warmth, (which knocked me out, emotionally, in a way I can barely describe!) Everyone who wanted to send money, I asked them to send it to RAINN (Rape Abuse Incest National Network) and there were even anthology authors associated with my mother who turned over every cent of their royalties from her to charity. Other people burned their copies of her books, because they couldn’t stand to sell them and make any money off her evil. Still other people deleted her works from their Kindles and iPads.
The reason I have given, and stand by for not talking is this: I know many people found value in my mother’s books, and I did not want to harm them or disturb their lives. Thus my shock and embarrassment at how far this story went. Ironically, the survivors who benefited from her books have found more strength in standing against abuse than with her, and my admiration for them is ongoing!
Naturally, there was a lot of debate about her and my father. Every time someone tried to doubt my story, a hundred people would shout them down. The age-of-consent creeps came out and were also shouted down. I was, to my shock, believed. After watching what had happened to Woody Allen’s daughter, I had no expectation of anything other than a virtual public execution were I so stupid as to speak out, but in a way, my mother “protected” me with her OWN WORDS. She had testified, blandly, when accused of molesting me, that “children don’t have erogenous zones” and didn’t bother denying tying me to a chair and attacking me with a pair of pliers, claiming she was going to pull out my teeth. With her cold admissions, nobody could put much of ANYTHING past her.
In any event, since the truth came out, the pedophilic themes in her books became very obvious to people who had previously chalked them up to history or the license granted to an author of fiction. My father had written, with her editorial assistance, a book of apologetics for sex between adults and children called “Greek Love” under the pseudonym “J.Z. Eglinton.” All of a sudden, nobody could have any question about what had been so obvious to me all along.
So what has changed since last June? Since my (and others) report of my nameless male relative back in November and my decision to go No Contact with my family due to their response, it began to dawn on me that maybe the gayness WAS an issue. Naturally, I had been brought up to be completely tolerant. Years ago I read Satinover, who believed that gays were largely “pansexual” that is, preferring sex with EVERYONE of EVERY age and EVERY gender rather than wanting to be limited to one person, and he regarded it, credibly, as a moral and ethical problem, rather than a sexual “orientation.” I can’t tell you how many lesbians I know who simply hate men, or who have been raped and can’t face sex with men because of that. For me, my research about homosexuality was almost a guilty secret: me thinking the unthinkable. After all, gayness had always been presented to me as the natural state: I was “hung up” and a “prude” because despite my mother’s pleading with me to “try it the other way” and “how could I possibly know I was straight?” I just couldn’t hack being gay myself.
My observation of my father and mother’s actual belief is this: since everyone is naturally gay, it is the straight establishment that makes everyone hung up and therefore limited. Sex early will make people willing to have sex with everyone, which will bring about the utopia while eliminating homophobia and helping people become “who they really are.” It will also destroy the hated nuclear family with its paternalism, sexism, ageism (yes, for pedophiles, that is a thing) and all other “isms.” If enough children are sexualized young enough, gayness will suddenly be “normal” and accepted by everyone, and the old fashioned notions about fidelity will vanish. As sex is integrated as a natural part of every single relationship, the barriers between people will vanish, and the utopia will appear, as “straight culture” goes the way of the dinosaur. As my mother used to say: “Children are brainwashed into believing they don’t want sex.”
I know, I know. The stupidity of that particular thesis is boundless, and the actual consequence is forty-year-olds in therapy for sexual abuse, many, many suicides, and ruined lives for just about EVERYONE. But someone needed to say it. Will anyone hear it? There were six Johnny Does at my father’s trial, who would not testify, and two victims, who did. One of the victims I am in touch with. He was silenced so fiercely by fans of my mother years ago that he is not able to talk about it to this day. I don’t know the fate of all the Johnny Does, but I do know one of them is dead in his forties from an eating disorder, never having been able to talk about what happened, and I know at least one of the people on the list of 22 names I gave the cops as a potential abuse victim died from suicide last year. I also know a number of victims of my father who would not testify because they love him. As a personal note, I can understand why: of my parents, he was by far the kinder one. After all, he was only a serial rapist. My mother was an icy, violent monster whose voice twisted up my stomach.
A very brief note on my “stepmother:” she now denies ever having been gay, after 22 years with my mother, and she has married a man. So what was was she “born”? Was she born gay, and is now living in “denial” of her “true nature” as the gays would have it, or was she besotted in a childish way with my mother, who did what celebrities do, and took advantage of her innocence and emotional infantility? She was 26 when she got involved with my mother, and told me later she felt she had been “molested” by my mother. I can’t use that word for her: she was 26. But she DID call my mother “mommy” and most of the emotional content of their relationship was an attempt to prove that she was a “better daughter” than I was: a competition that for me, was over before it began. I am my mother’s daughter. It is a biological reality. Giving my mother orgasms does not make my stepmother a better daughter, simply a fool. And as it can be noted now, she MUST be the “better daughter” because I blew the whistle. I don’t speak to her.
This March I met Katy Faust online: one of the six children of gays who filed an amicus brief with the Supreme Court opposing gay marriage. We corresponded, and I left CA. I am still reeling from the death of my last bits of denial. It IS the homosexuality that is the problem. It IS the belief that all sex all the time will somehow cure problems instead of creating them that is the problem.
So I have begun to speak out against gay marriage, and in doing so, I have alienated most of even my strongest supporters. After all, they need to see my parents as wacky sex criminals, not as homosexuals following their deeply held ethical positions and trying to create a utopia according to a rather silly fantasy. They do not have the willingness to accept the possibility that homosexuality might actually have the result of destroying children and even destroying the adults who insist on remaining in its thrall.
Now for all well-meaning people who believe I am extrapolating from my experience to the wider gay community, I would like to explain why I believe this is so: From my experience in the gay community, the values in that community are very different: the assumption is that EVERYONE is gay and closeted, and early sexual experience will prevent gay children from being closeted, and that will make everyone happy.
If you doubt me, research “age of consent” “Twinks,” “ageism” and the writings of the NUMEROUS authors on the Left who believe that early sexuality is somehow “beneficial” for children.
Due to my long experience with the BSDM community (bondage/discipline, Sado-Masochism) it is my belief that homosexuality is a matter of IMPRINTING, in the same way that BDSM fantasies are. To the BDSM’er, continued practice of the fantasy is sexually exciting. To the gay person, naturally, the same. However, from what I have seen, neither one creates healing. My mother became a lesbian because she was raped by her father. My father was molested by a priest–and regarded it as being the only love he had ever experienced. There are a vanishingly few people who are exclusively gay, but far more who have relationships with people of BOTH genders, as my parents and other relatives did.
What sets gay culture apart from straight culture is the belief that early sex is good and beneficial, and the sure knowledge (don’t think for a second that they DON’T know) that the only way to produce another homosexual is to provide a boy with sexual experiences BEFORE he can be “ruined” by attraction to a girl.
If you’re OK with that, and you might not be, it is worth your consideration. If you think I am wrong, that is your privilege, but watch out for the VAST number of stories of sexual abuse AND transgenderism that will come about from these gay “marriages.” Already the statistics for sexual abuse of children of gays are astronomically high compared to that suffered by the children of straights.
Naturally my perspective is very uncomfortable to the liberal people I was raised with: I am “allowed” to be a victim of molestation by both parents, and “allowed” to be a victim of rather hideous violence. I am, incredibly, NOT ALLOWED to blame their homosexuality for their absolute willingness to accept all sex at all times between all people.
But that is not going to slow me down one bit. I am going to keep right on speaking out. I have been silent for entirely too long. Gay “marriage” is nothing but a way to make children over in the image of their “parents” and in ten to thirty years, the survivors will speak out.
In the meantime, I will.
Moira Greyland
**Note from Katy Faust: This is the first time that Moira has chosen to tell her story publicly. She and I had very different childhoods, and both perspectives are valid. I don’t believe that all or most gay or lesbians abuse children, like most heterosexuals do not. Respectful comments and questions for Moira are welcome. Degrading and slanderous comments won’t see the light of day.
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Moira,
Thanks for sharing. I pray someone out there will be spared from victimization because of you telling your story. I grew up in a near perfect home compared to so many. I will thank God and my parents again after reading this. I will also teach my precious sons caution in this evil world. It scares me for the children. I pray that as parents we can raise a Godly generation that stands up and says,No more!.
What a terrifying story, both what happened to Moira and what is potentially going to happen again and again. It does seem to me that homosexuals generally tend to have greater and more varied sexual “appetites” and than heterosexuals. I’m strictly speaking of personal experience with homosexuals I have encountered, I haven’t studied any data.
I also see how the gay movement almost seems to want more people to be homosexual/pan sexual/bisexual…. My 16 year old daughter has a good friend who seems to change her sexual preference every few months. This friend is part of the “GLBT” club at the school and spends an unusually large amount of time thinking about, pondering and questioning her sexual preferences. (Most of the time, she considers herself straight and by all appearances seems straight to me.) It’s one thing to help the child who is truly feeling same-sex attraction, but I question the wisdom of encouraging ALL teens to question their sexuality, especially at an age when we are all naturally a little more preoccupied with sex anyway. What is the benefit of that unless it’s based on the assumption that all people are really gay but don’t realize it?
Thanks for posting this Katy. It was difficult to read but very important.
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/02/14470/
Neuroplasticity- a relatively new science regarding the neurological ‘wiring’ and ‘rewiring’ capabilities of the brain supports Moira’s assertions re: “imprinting”.
Any unbiased student of nature will attest to the fact that aberrant behavior is cued/caused by the environment, and is not innate.
Any behavior that short-circuits the organisms (self, family, species, society) fitness is aberrant.
Hang in there Moira- your brave testimony will save many innocent lives, as it ‘outs’ guilty perpetrators.
The pendulum will swing back to its proper place.
Thanks for the link, Jae! This ties in with neurological research done on how we learn in general, the reward/addiction/learning centre in the brain, by M. Spitzer (though I haven’t yet found out whether he ever touches on sex/gender issues).
Nowadays you have children as young as eight bragging about that they are gay, transgendered or whatever. Gotta make you wonder about those families who have children that young that are so sexualized.
My son told me it was actually considered “trendy” to be gay in his high school back in 2008. My daughter’s in high school now, and she’s actually afraid to share her views on homosexuality and gay marriage for fear of retribution. I don’t know if it’s the parents so much as the public school system trying to normalize all types of human sexuality at a young, impressionable age where kid’s minds are easily molded.
Arne Duncan and Kevin Jennings are just two LBGTQ advocates in high places that made sure our kids were ‘primed’ into accepting (if not outright being brainwashed to desire) LBGTQ disordered sexual activity as ‘normal’, and even preferred.
It’s not your imagination, Epic- it’s the sad reality of the leftist ideologues agenda.
Remember, Mr. Obama was ‘against it’ before he was elected, before he was ‘for it’ after he was elected.
It’s more like the schools teaching tolerance and rejection of bigotry. Those negative attitudes are harmful and lead to bullying.
There definitely needed to be a conversation about not bullying gay students, no one deserves to be bullied for any reason. But it seems to have swung way beyond tolerance and acceptance to promotion.
I agree, Epic. Thanks for commenting!!!
Thank you so much for posting this. I remember reading about the controversy last year when Moira’s letter was blogged and thinking how horrible it was. I don’t know if what she said is true of all gay people or just the ones she knows. However, I do know that on average, lesbians have more MEN sexual partners than women who aren’t lesbians. Many of their male partners are “gay” or bisexual. This might be why. I admire your bravery, thank you for working to help other people.
Moira, this was not an easy read. I feel terrible for you, so sorry there was nobody to protect you from that unspeakable abuse. It’s not the first author I read about who appears to have been a cold monster instead of mother – I sincerely hope that is not an author trait – but it’s absolutely horrifying. I’m glad she backed you up in court at least – incredibly, but yet, it’s in keeping with her world view so why shouldn’t she have, but for you, it made the difference that people believe you.
I’m with you, let’s stand strong against child abuse!
Moira,
I was once a soldier. I was specifically trained to march into dangerous situations where death awaited every corner. Yet, for all of the faults the Army had, it is still able to instill the virtues of discipline and camaraderie into myself and my fellow soldiers. I knew, at worst, I always had someone who had my back.
For that alone, the battles you have fought make the ones staring at me look nothing more than paintball games. That you have endured and continued onward is a testament to your fortitude and virtue.
I salute you.
Such a hard story to read, but important for considering the implications for children. Thank you for sharing, Moira.
I hope it is alright if I echo this comment because I am too overwhelmed after reading to say much else. Thank you, Moira, for speaking up at last. Stay strong.
Moira, I am so very sorry you have gone thru all of this. I am so sorry your childhood was stolen from you. And I am very angry that no one believes you. I do though. I do. I think you have, with your story, exposed a big part of the LGBT agenda, that people who support gay-marriage do not want to believe. I am going to pray for you, I hope you find the peace you deserve. Thank you for telling your story.
Wow! That’s heart breaking and powerful. I will pray that Moira will find the peace that only Jesus Christ can bring, keeping in mind that Jesus Himself is quoted in Matthew 18:6-10. It’s hard to imagine that this wasn’t said for such a situation as this. Very sad.
But they were in opposite sex marriage, and we all heard that gay people should marry people of opposite gender and all will be great! It’s the same sex marriage that must be bad, at least what the regulars here say.
Moira, the more I read about this the more I’m horrified. Have now followed the trail a bit and read related articles, and your poems – can’t stop crying. No, being a cold monster is not an author thing, but more relevantly that’s not her major crime; child abuse is. Even when I read her “Mists of Avalon” as a teen, the graphic sex in that had me gobsmacked (I grew up very sheltered, it was a bit of a culture shock), but I loved the fantasy worlds and would never have thought anything was wrong with the author.
I was wondering if I should perhaps not tell my daughter, who loves the fiction, but how can I not? I have to! Young women (and men I guess) who read that amazing fantasy need to know about the mind it sprung from. All that is besides the point. It’s chilling to think how such a deeply psychiatrically disturbed woman can become such a successful author! It’s even more chilling to consider the profound effect she had of shaping the whole movement of Wicca/neopaganism.
It’s ironic (and shattering and horrific) how the very fighter for “freedom of sexual choice” denies her own child that right to choose not to be LGBT. Beware the perp who parades as a victim! Moira, I wish I had words to comfort you, to take that bad stuff away, I know if there’s an afterlife I’ll be confronting her and it will not be pretty! Which mother tries drowning her own child in the bathtub?? And that’s just the tip of the iceberg!
I run out of words. I can understand Deirdre writing how she just threw up her lunch, before posting the letter and poems.
MZB’s pov runs throughout her writings. Replace them with oh idk, CS Lewis’ space trilogy?
🙂 That may work for some… I can’t replace one author with another. Luckily in the 80’s we were spoilt for choice with excellent authors, so the literary shock is not due to a lack of available good stories.
Sorry, FyVa, that wasn’t actually meant as a reply to your comment, my internet did something funny. Hope AsktheBigot can fix it and move it to a correct spot.
No, gay people should not marry people of opposite gender. But as you read, perhaps “gay” wasn’t all that couple was.
Such a lame attempt to deflect from Moira’s testimony, FyVa, which reveals so much more about your rabid defense of the defenseless rather than having to admit that there is a rationale, with evidence, that supports concerns about LBGTQ being incentivized by society to raise children.
Only a mind and soul as corrupt as yours would call what those two monster ‘parents’ did with each other “marriage”, or what they did to their child ‘parenting’. They were no more a married couple than are any of the SSA dupes being similarly ‘married’- all frauds. They were nothing more than two sexually disordered, and in their case particularly perverted, scam artists abusing the institution of marriage to reap the social benefits – sound familiar?
Have anything actually decipherable to contribute about these gay persons treatment of their ‘marriage’ or their own child? After all- all it takes is “love” and money to raise a child, right?
Is it not yet clear that when one’s disordered sexuality is prioritized in one’s life, all else will suffer- especially the children?
This comment is yet another example that LGBT is seeped in narcissism and incapable of even the smallest drop of human compassion needed for children. You are chilling and sadly not an exception. A culture of abuse–own it.
Correction comment for FyVa–
WOW! World view.
I feel awful for you, Moira. This turned my stomach badly, I can tell you that. You’re a real trooper for surviving something like that and having the courage to speak out about it. It’s just so terrifying to me comparing my innocent childhood with yours. You had your innocence stolen from you, and it disgusts me to think there are so many more out there who are going through the same evils as you, even as we speak.
You’re going to face many more battles up ahead for speaking out about this, but I believe in you. You were strong enough to survive a nightmarish childhood, so I know (or at least I hope!) you’ll be strong enough to weather the hate mail.
God bless and all the best.
Thank you so much for sharing this Moira. By sharing this painful testimony that has already made problems for you in your social circle, you have given permission to others to also pluck up the courage to share their painful stories, even during a time in human history when it is most unacceptable to do so on this particular topic. Thank you so much.
I very nearly married a man who had been sexually assaulted by his pedophile father — a prominent local businessman– since he was a toddler. He told me that at the age of 12, he’d had surgery to repair his ruined rectum. Somehow the surgical team, pediatrician, and his own mother saw nothing amiss in any of this. Nothing was reported to police; it was a conspiracy of silence. After he recovered from the surgery, the abuse resumed, and, he told me, continued until he left home at age 18. At least that’s what he said. Turned out boyfriend was still “seeing” dear old dad behind my back, the entire four years we were together. And he was also covering dad’s ongoing rape of his two younger sisters. While dear old mom drank herself into a stupor every night, and never noticed a thing at all.
Words rarely fail me, but I struggle here. As a father, with daughters, I can tell you that we men are generally here (and that “generally” grates, for I hadn’t ever expected to need it) to protect our daughters. I would die for my girls, without hesitation. What you have suffered, I can’t imagine. You are brave, and, if you choose to continue, please know that large swathes of the country are with you, and appreciate it.
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If you doubt me, research “age of consent” “Twinks,”…
I dread to think what alarm bells go off at the NSA when you google “age of consent” twinks
No alarms at all if you donate to the proper political campaigns.
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I just want to say thank you for sharing your story and exposing the false and dangerous beliefs behind homosexuality. There have been so many victims already, but unfortunately, the ruling from the highest court in the United States might mean that millions more will suffer before it is overruled and something is seriously done to stamp out this evil.
God speed and God help you as you push on!
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Wow… Moira, you’re an amazing woman full of strength and courage, thank you.
May God richly bless your strength and courage!
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Thanks for the incites
Thankyou Moira and Tony. This really sheds light on my own experiences, naively marrying very young into a sexually disfunctional family with a father-in-law who abused, in varying degrees, all five, if not six, of my sons. At least my daughters were safe, although I am pretty certain his own were not. What strikes me is Moira’s statement that her abusers rationalised their evil, convincing themselves that their victims “wanted” this treatment; i heard the very words from his mouth. Also familiar is the trail of ruined lives and frequent -sometimes successful – suicide attempts. Thank you again.
Words fail me and, as many can tell you, that happens so very rarely. I feel like I need to take a shower after reading this….I literally could vomit.
Moira, obviously I can’t tell you how sorry I am, how very much I despair at the attitude of, not just the monsters you call parents, but at a society who can turn away from the children that endure these horrors. That anyone can sew up the ravaged rectum of a child without question is appalling at best. That anyone could doubt that those who abuse may so often continue to abuse. And it goes on.
Truly deranged….
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Powerful, personal, and blushingly detailed story from someone whose parents’ are representative of a “lifestyle” that no one INSIDE wants to speak this honestly about.
*WARNING* May be triggering for survivors of abuse, especially those who were homosexually abused…
Thank you Moria. Your words ring true. They have changed my mind on this issue. May you change many more.
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“I am, incredibly, NOT ALLOWED to blame their homosexuality for their absolute willingness to accept all sex at all times between all people.”
That’s because it self-evidently has nothing to do with it. They were people who were willing to hurt children to gratify themselves. They were gay. The two are a coincidence without interrelation, except in that they excused the first with the other. This says nothing in particular about other people.
Yours is the same sort of attitude that has stewardesses asking single men in a plane seat to give up that seat because there’s a child in the seat next to them. Your history may excuse and make understandable your moral panic, but it doesn’t change the fact it is a moral panic about which none should indulge you.
Disgusting apologist for homosexual child-abuse.
Correct Gayelle, Tom is an example of what the victims have to contend with and he is not the worst by any stretch. They do not think it is abuse–they have no idea what normal is. They think it is their right and that children want sexual pleasure. These are very high functioning people. They are quick verbally and very manipulative. You notice he tries to shame the victim and ply with guilt and does not once admit or address what goes on as a matter of course in the LGBT community. They will never admit it because they think their is nothing wrong with it and any victim that speaks out is the villain. They are sick, they are organized, they lie better than anybody can imagine, they have money and power and they do care about anyone or anything outside of their power circle.
And don’t forget the attack on the person that attempts to distract from the point at hand. It’s very necessary to belittle, shame, vilify, mock or otherwise discredit someone when you know they have a point that you can’t directly address. If you can get them on the defensive about their character (calling or implying political incorrectness, bigotry, hatred, racism, etc is particularly popular these days), then you can bury the original statement that can’t be denied.
@Gayelle, IMHO & Tisha: Be fair to tomdperkins. He did not defend them, he just said it is a coincidence that Moira’s parents were gay and also hurt children.
@tomdperkins: I might agree with you on that if you don’t find ridiculously often in autobiographies of gay folks the story of that first older or more powerful person who introduced them into the lifestyle. People argue with me that it is selection bias that makes me notice this in their writings but it is certainly not a fact I was looking for or would have postulated.
Has any serious study been done on what percentage of folks involved in less traditional modes of sexuality have been introduced into that by older or more powerful first-time partners? You say there is no causation but what do you base that on and why would we trust your observation over Moira’s?
I have also observed that homosexuals could often be classified more accurately as “pansexuals,” who in the past were quite capable of marrying and fathering children – or, as is often the case with “lesbians,” veering back and forth between men and women.
I do not think it is a very wise move to forcibly impose a strained, new definition on an institution that predates the state itself and extends back into the very mists of human civilization.
Are you familiar with Chesterton’s “paradox of the wall?”
TomD- you are in a really distorted and disordered state of denial if you think a lifestyle based solely in being sterile as a function of its’ very being, and selfish by definition would be anything but those two fast descriptors of what it is to be homosexual , has no adverse impact or effect on others, especially children, swooped up unwillingly into that lifestyle.
By definition homosexuality is a lifestyle dedicated to fulfilling ones own sexual fetishes at all costs; costs to species fitness, costs to society fitness and costs to individual fitness.
And, you believe (talk about fantasizing) that the LBGTQ lifestyle- which denies its very own biology, is a healthy environment in which to raise offspring?
And, then, you ask us to believe you about this issue- on what logic should we base our beliefs in your beliefs?
What a brave person! Thank you for sharing your sad story. I believe your suffering has a purpose in helping others come to terms with their abuse and also warning the culture of the dangers that lay ahead. May God heal your heart and strengthen you as you battle for truth!
Tom Perkins, many COGs disagree with you. Many have experience and seen others experience what you claim “never happens” or is “rare” or “but straight people do it too” (love the deflection and appeal to (“equality”)
If LGBT does not like what the kids say my best advise is stay away from kids. If not expect a whole lot more of this. Moral panic you think that is some kind of insult. People should panic and protect kids. All the lies LGBT need to be exposed. All the ideology needs to be exposed. 1st moral panic and then one would hope moral rage.
How dare you defend an ideology that damages children–how dare you? How dare you assume that what is described is not played out over and over, day in and day out. I honestly think that LGBT never even factored in the possibility of the kids speaking out. Now you try to shame the writer. Yes moral panic is good and we all should be panicked by the threat to children.
Moira,
My prayers and thoughts are with you. This was a hard read. Disgusted, I took excerpts and posted it in an Amazon review if Mists of Avalon, demanding to know why Marion Zimmer Bradley’s books are still sold there.
Amazon will not publish my “review” in which I asked them why Marion Zimmer Bradley’s books were still being sold by them.
I’m a pitbull when the cause is just. The cause is just. The review was edited, resubmitted, and it went live here: http://www.amazon.com/review/R1DN9GIBGKW45Q.
It’s impossible to go back to the past and take you into my family and give you a bette life, Moira, but this much can be done.
I am so sorry for your horrific experiences, and salute your strength in speaking out.
You are flat out wrong about your beliefs that homosexuality in and of itself is the problem. Statistics near this out. Children in same sex marriages are LESS likely to be abused. No ethical liberal or left leaning responsible writer believes children should be sexualized early. Please do better research.
Homosexuality IS in and of itself to blame for sexually dysfunctional persons who live a manufactured lifestyle built around abject lies.
There is nothing natural or normal about homosexuality, it does not occur in nature and when it ‘occurs’ in humanity is as a direct result of the emotionally and physically dysfunctional environment in which the human has been raised.
Any person who self-identifies primarily and foremost as a ‘homosexual’ (no such animal in nature) is a disordered personality and should not be involved in rearing children.
As soon as the ‘equal rights’ campaign went from ‘my lifestyle and choices don’t impact you’ and ‘just between two consenting adults’ to now expecting to be elevated in society to that of normal, natural sexuality and lifestyle, it became our business. It really wasn’t our business so long as homosexuals held the line at keeping their chosen behavior (as in “not born that way”) out of our social institutions.
Do you think no one knows the history of the ‘gay’ movement, which originated in the age-of–consent and socialist-communist backrooms, and has since politically morphed into the ‘equal rights’ campaign it is today?
You will never shed the pedophile-pederast stink of the genesis of the ‘gay’ movement, or it’s true goals.
We’ve got our research, and we’ve got our evidence and you won’t keep it under political/ideological wraps any longer. No one will tolerate your community’s abuse of our children.
Meanwhile, take a page out of nature if you need hard evidence- where all aberrant behaviors are thoroughly washed out of the gene pool to ensure the fitness of the species.
You really can’t fool Mother Nature-
Kevin, there are no statistics to speak of. You have hundreds of studies by people like Stacy and Wainwright, who routinely threw out any cases like this saying that it didn’t match the criteria to be counted in the “gay parenting” pool. As a result, for 20 years, Moira Greyland and I and countless other children of gays were deemed not to exist. When studies came back that actually included people like us in their sample, they found an alarming right of misconduct in gay homes with children in them –and then those researchers like Regnerus, Allen, and Sullins were attacked because their findings didn’t match the earlier “consensus,” and because they actually respected people like Moira and me enough to include us in their studies and care what we experienced growing up.
The only broad-based and representative sample with comparative strength comes with D. Paul Sullins’ study which found that children raised in married same-sex couples’ homes had more problems than children raised by unmarried cohabiting gay adults, children raised by single gay parents, children raised by single or unmarried or divorced straight parents, and virtually any possible arrangement. The marriage gives the gay adults legal powers over the child and makes the situation worse, because in almost all cases the child of a gay parent does not want to be forced into an emotional relationship with the biologically unrelated sex partner of their gay parent.
For interdisciplinary research into this area you can always buy Jephthah’s Daughters: Innocent Casualties in the War for Family Equality.
Every respectable study into gay mental health issues, ranging from the CDC to the NIMH to even pro-gay organizations, states that gay adults have higher rates of sexually transmitted diseases, steroid abuse, domestic violence, sexual assault, suicide, anxiety, depression, addictions, eating disorders, adjustment disorder, and steroid abuse. You can quibble about what causes these problems but no evidence supports the claim that these problems aren’t there. And these are the adoptive parents to be assigned custody by the government to make “gay families” possible. So where does that leave the kid?
Any child placed in the care of two people who come from this high-risk pool has an alarmingly elevated risk of experiencing trauma in the home.
All of this, of course, is meaningless to someone like Moira Greyland who has experienced incredible abuse by the gay community and deserves to be affirmed and supported as she heals and fights so that this does not happen to other children.
“”When studies came back that actually included people like us in their sample, they found an alarming right of misconduct in gay homes with children in them –and then those researchers like Regnerus, Allen, and Sullins were attacked because their findings didn’t match the earlier “consensus,” and because they actually respected people like Moira and me enough to include us in their studies and care what we experienced growing up.”
Or you know because they were wrong?
http://wakingupnow.com/blog/regnerus-admits-he-lacks-the-data-to-critique-same-sex-parenting-so-why-is-he-doing-it
http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2013/03/11/54299
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/new-research-further-debunks-regnerus-study-gay-parenting
http://www.care2.com/causes/5-things-to-know-about-the-new-gay-parents-are-bad-for-kids-study.html
http://www.skepticink.com/humanisticas/2013/10/14/no-children-of-same-sex-parents-do-not-have-lower-graduation-rates/
https://familyinequality.wordpress.com/2013/10/11/the-douglas-allen-study-of-canadian-children-of-gaylesbian-parents-is-worthless/
http://www.nathanielfrank.com/article-full.php?id=65
Defending a flawed study because of good intentions doesn’t make them any less flawed.
“Every respectable study into gay mental health issues, ranging from the CDC to the NIMH to even pro-gay organizations, states that gay adults have higher rates of sexually transmitted diseases, steroid abuse, domestic violence, sexual assault, suicide, anxiety, depression, addictions, eating disorders, adjustment disorder, and steroid abuse. You can quibble about what causes these problems but no evidence supports the claim that these problems aren’t there.”
Off course you are adding to it: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/brick-brick/201402/the-psychological-impact-lgbt-discrimination
“Being denied adoption (link is external) rights has a similar effect. One study found that in states without discriminatory laws, gay men who wanted to raise children had greater self-esteem and fewer symptoms of depression than gay men who did not plan on children. But for those in states where discrimination was written into marriage and adoption laws, gay men who wanted to raise children had lower self-esteem and increased depressive symptoms than gay men who did not want to raise children.”
Now before you say anything else. I know you are going to claim persecution…it’s what you do best: http://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2014/10/a-tale-of-targeting
But here is the thing…you tend to lie: “At that time I had no connection to the National Organization for Marriage, yet as late as September 2014, the Human Rights Campaign would still claim that I spoke at NOM “March for Marriage” rallies. All of this would be jarring news for NOM, since I support gay civil unions and foster care eligibility for gay couples.” https://www.marriagemarch.org/2013/speakers/
Care to explain this?
“The YouTube page included my work location, email, and phone number. Though my friends and I have flagged and reported this comment as harassment, YouTube has still not taken it down.” I checked the youtube page, and none of that was there.
http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=25551&p=463148&hilit=robert+oscar#p463148
Good day
Jacob:
Dr. Regnerus is not “admitting” anything; he has always been quite open about the limitations of his Family Structures Study. His detractors have resorted to quoting him out of context to make him look bad.
The focus on “adoption rights” for prospective adoptive parents turns the whole idea of adoption on its head. Adoption does not exist for the benefit of adoptive parents, to give them the children that they want. It exists for the the benefit of the children, to give them the parents that they need.
Adoption has turned into an institution to make gay people feel good about themselves. Marriage has become, not an institution for the continuation of the species, but an instrument of self-validation.
The narcissism of the gay “rights” movement runs so deep that its proponents aren’t even aware of it.
Steve,
Very well said. Children need to be the priority. Adults do not have the right to children. LGBT demands other peoples children. That should be a red flag as to what kind of parents they will be.
“Dr. Regnerus is not “admitting” anything” Did I say he was? Someone is putting words into my mouth.
“He has always been quite open about the limitations of his Family Structures Study. His detractors have resorted to quoting him out of context to make him look bad.”
Like when he admitted to not having a representative sample? http://wakingupnow.com/blog/regnerus-admits-he-lacks-the-data-to-critique-same-sex-parenting-so-why-is-he-doing-it
http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/11/12/50903
Let’s see what he says here:
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/06/gay_parents_are_they_really_no_different_.html
“The basic results call into question simplistic notions of “no differences,” at least with the generation that is out of the house. On 25 of 40 different outcomes evaluated, the children of women who’ve had same-sex relationships fare quite differently than those in stable, biologically-intact mom-and-pop families, displaying numbers more comparable to those from heterosexual stepfamilies and single parents. Even after including controls for age, race, gender, and things like being bullied as a youth, or the gay-friendliness of the state in which they live, such respondents were more apt to report being unemployed, less healthy, more depressed, more likely to have cheated on a spouse or partner, smoke more pot, had trouble with the law, report more male and female sex partners, more sexual victimization, and were more likely to reflect negatively on their childhood family life, among other things. Why such dramatic differences? I can only speculate, since the data are not poised to pinpoint causes. One notable theme among the adult children of same-sex parents, however, is household instability, and plenty of it.” Hold on…what was that last line? “One notable theme among the adult children of same-sex parents,” and stop…he never interviewed children of same-sex parents, just kids who had a parent that had a same-sex relationship. This is how the study was structured: http://freethoughtblogs.com/zinniajones/2012/06/regnerus-deconstructed-how-a-new-study-misrepresents-same-sex-parents/
I agree with Dr. Regnerus Mixed Orientation Marriages (or Mixed Orientation Sexual Relationships) that produce children are VERY BAD for the children. And that is what his study proves. It does not attempt and does NOT assess the outcomes of children raised by 2 loving moms or 2 loving dads. It.Does.Not. For him to say things about gays in general is simply dishonest no matter the motive.
Dr. R’s study is flawed, as he admits.
Again. I will reiterate. There is no verifiable evidence, i.e. multiple probability studies, that same sex parent situations are bad for children.
Jacob links to a web page with the headline “Regnerus Admits he lacks the data . . . ”
So I say:
Dr. Regnerus is not “admitting” anything
And then Jacob says:
Did I say he was? Someone is putting words into my mouth.
And then he says:
Like when he admitted to not having a representative sample?
(Me again)
I get it. Instead of engaging with the subject matter in a serious way, you post links to some blog without showing any signs that you either understand what is being presented in the blog. And then you link to the same blog post again, as if presenting a bad argument twice somehow makes it less bad.
Dr. Regnerus’s study did have a randomized, representative sample put together by Knowledge Networks, the largest and most representative such sample for a study of its kind. He has never claimed otherwise, and has no reason to do so.
Of course the study is flawed, because all studies are flawed. Dr. Regnerus pointed out the limitations of the study in the write-up, which is on line and not behind a pay wall so there’s no excuse for you not to know about them. He explains the conclusions in the paper, and how he arrived at them. All of those issues that your hatchet-job bloggers bring up are addressed by Dr. Regnerus in his paper. If you think he is wrong, then what you ought to do is first show that you understand what his reasoning is. Then you can explain why you think his reasoning is fallacious. This is how college students are taught to write term papers.
If you can’t do that, you really aren’t in a position to criticize, other than that he came up with different answers from the ones you want.
I’m veering from the topic of this blog post, so I’m going to leave it at that.
No, Steve, you are not veering, you are right on target- keep up the good work, we all need to hear more logic introduced into this debate, but, especially the manipulators and distorters of truth need the education in honesty most desperately.
“All of those issues that your hatchet-job bloggers bring up are addressed by Dr. Regnerus in his paper. If you think he is wrong, then what you ought to do is first show that you understand what his reasoning is. Then you can explain why you think his reasoning is fallacious. This is how college students are taught to write term papers.” I did estate my reasoning. Must I go over it again. He said
“One notable theme among the adult children of same-sex parents, however, is household instability, and plenty of it.” ” This is because he studied children of divorce, which homosexuality has nothing to do with. Again simply because he admits some flaws doesn’t mean he coped to all of them. And may I also mention he ended up with an unrepresentative sample as the link you mentioned pointed out?
“And then you link to the same blog post again, as if presenting a bad argument twice somehow makes it less bad.”
And it debunks your claim of having a representative sample by looking at the actual breakdown of the numbers
” get it. Instead of engaging with the subject matter in a serious way, you post links to some blog without showing any signs that you either understand what is being presented in the blog. And then you link to the same blog post again, as if presenting a bad argument twice somehow makes it less bad.” All right I should’ve said that he didn’t cop to all the flaws in the study with most of the adult children studied spending much less than three years with their gay or lesbian parent, it seems to me to be a study that is not about gay parenting but about children of divorce, separation, parental infidelity, and a host of other sources of instability.
Jacob: I didn’t say you should state YOUR reasoning. I said that if you want to criticize Regnerus, you should state HIS reasoning, and THEN explain why you disagree with it. Or at least show that you understand what his arguments are. A college freshman would be expected to do this in a term paper.
All of the points you make have been anticipated by Regnerus in his original paper. Do you know what he had to say about these points? Do you know anything about the study other that what you read in these clearly tendentious blogs? Have you read the write-up of the study for yourself? It’s not behind a pay wall, so there’s no excuse not to. Have you ever sat down and tried to use your own head to arrive at your own conclusions?
Do you know what is meant by a “representative sample”? A quick web search gives me this definition from Investopedia:
“A subset of a statistical population that accurately reflects the members of the entire population. A representative sample should be an unbiased indication of what the population is like. In a classroom of 30 students in which half the students are male and half are female, a representative sample might include six students: three males and three females.”
That sounds about right. The contracted polling outfit used well-established methods to obtain such a sample as well as they could. The sample did not show very many examples of families headed by same-sex couples, with children produced by donor insemination or through surrogacy. Why didn’t it? Precisely because it WAS a representative sample and that such arrangements were rare when the adult respondents to the survey were being raised.
Regnerus addressed this issue in his paper. Do you know what he said?
Here’s a link describing how the representative sample was made:
Click to access NFSS-study-design.pdf
No Kevin you are wrong or presenting a dangerous lie–a lie that will destroy children’s live . The research was biased to support what LGBT wanted supported. It does not reflect the reality of what goes on the homes and the community. I have known only 2 out of 77 kids of same sex home who were not abused. That mean that means that 75 were abused. Do not push this lie sir simply put it pisses the COGs off. The LGBT community protects abusers and has a whole ideology to rationalize. They punish the victims. And it will be stop more COGs are willing do to as Moira did. Don’t you dare come to us with and spew lies in our faces. We lived the truth. You did not.
IMHO. Truly I am sorry that your parents had poor parenting skills. I am sorry for your pain. That doesn’t give you carte blanche to discriminate against and harm others. You have no proof that your parents weren’t good parents because they were gay. You have no verifiable evidence that same sex parents are worse than hetero parents. Your sample suffers mightily from selection bias. Show me multiple independent peer-reviewed probability studies that support your claims and then we’ll talk.
Kevin, I’m a statistician. What are your statistics?
Several books recommended by “Safe Schools Czar” Kevin Jennings for use in public schools schools included chapters on homosexual sex with minors. I read the excerpts myself at the time — some were also violent. A few were memoirs of gay men recalling their early sexual experiences being seduced by adult men. They made my stomach turn. Jennings also founded GLSEN, which wants all schools in the country to use its teaching materials. You are mistaken.
No ethical liberal or left leaning responsible writer believes children should be sexualized early.
You know who else doesn’t believe that: The Easter Bunny or Hobbits. They don’t believe that either . . . for the same reason.
Wow! That sheds some light. I am saddened by the fact that while I was given a good childhood, you were not. I hope you come to have peace in your heart.
Moira, I’ve bumped into you a few times around the ether, and read glimpses from your life there. It’s hard to let the whole story sink in . Especially the reactions from former supporters once you rejected the myth that homosexuality is normal. I wish you peace and strength. X
Moira, you are a brave woman. Keep up the good work.
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Dear Moira,
You are a lovely woman and obviously possess many gifts. I am so deeply sorry that you experienced such abuse. Thank you for enlightening me about the motivation and rationale of the homosexual culture. If only we could prevent what happened to you and others from happening again. I am sure your voice and your story will go a long way towards that end. My eyes have been opened and I feel like I somewhat understand their completely misguided motivation. How in the world have we come to the point in society where this is accepted? There are certainly powerful forces at work here. May the light you’ve shed with your story banish some part of the darkness. God bless you. You have a permanent place in my prayers dear lady. – Maria
Thank you for discussing this, it must be terribly difficult. I can only say something I find myself saying more and more often these days – what the hell is the matter with people? No morals, no ethics, no compassion.
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More than anything else in this essay, this will be regarded as the most heretical by the regnant social orthodoxy:
“What sets gay culture apart from straight culture is the belief that early sex is good and beneficial, and the sure knowledge (don’t think for a second that they DON’T know) that the only way to produce another homosexual is to provide a boy with sexual experiences BEFORE he can be “ruined” by attraction to a girl.”
The gay rights movement is particularly invested in demonstrating that homosexuality is naturally occurring, because if it is then a much stronger moral argument can be formulated for its accommodation in society. But if its perpetuation depends on “imprinting”, then that argument is much weaker. Those who openly say this will be persecuted.
” If you think I am wrong, that is your privilege, but watch out for the VAST number of stories of sexual abuse AND transgenderism that will come about from these gay “marriages.” Already the statistics for sexual abuse of children of gays are astronomically high compared to that suffered by the children of straights.” And you just lost your credibility: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/new-research-further-debunks-regnerus-study-gay-parenting
http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/06/10/45512
http://wakingupnow.com/blog/regnerus-defenders-miss-the-point
http://wakingupnow.com/blog/regnerus-shoots-his-own-foot
http://wakingupnow.com/blog/regnerus-admits-he-lacks-the-data-to-critique-same-sex-parenting-so-why-is-he-doing-it
“After all, they need to see my parents as wacky sex criminals, not as homosexuals following their deeply held ethical positions and trying to create a utopia according to a rather silly fantasy.”
lady, this shit is found in other families:http://www.theprovince.com/news/Parents+blame+grandfather+molesting+their+daughter+Court+Appeal/11183466/story.html
http://www.vox.com/2015/5/27/8662907/josh-duggar-abuse
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2817253/How-did-family-pedophiles-operate-unnoticed-years-Social-services-fire-not-seeing-ring-abuse-eight-members-Alabama-family-going-six-years.html
http://somesecrets.info/blog/2014/1/21/pedophiles-groom-both-the-child-and-the-family
I don’t think homosexuality has anything to do with it.
Jacob: The published literature on the question of homosexuality and pedophilia is self-contradictory. It also is biased by popular opinion. When homosexuality was “not cool,” the studies claimed gays are prone to higher pedophilia rates as a group. As more LGBT advocates become part of campus sociology faculty and gay lifestyle was depicted as “cool” or condoned in media, so we have seen sociologists shift to claim that there are equal CSA rates among hetero- and homosexual people. Or some “experts” alter the definition of pedophilia to deflect. You could plot the opinion of sociologists on this question over the past fifty years as a direct function of popular opinion. Moreover, most CSA victims remain silent whether it is a hetero- or homosexual abuser. The sample sizes for openly homosexual populations in general are very small as a further confounding factor. In short, the comparative population rates remain unknown on that question.
We do know as an incontrovertible fact however that men commit CSA worldwide about 10 times more often than do women. That is what makes placing children with two male gay parents more dangerous than traditional marriage. If a male head of household commits CSA then the risk for concomitant CSA within the family, for example brothers or in rare cases mothers, will increase cooperatively.
The only way to defeat something this evil and secretive is to do exactly what Moira did. She is truly a hero. There would’ve been more victims if her father did not go to prison when he did. She helped to save those victims. That’s more credibility than a library full of for-profit editorials leaning on bad stats from academics.
The publication that published the Regnerus and Marks papers has since said that they were rushed to publication and should not have been published.
Click to access SherkatAuditSummary.pdf
” The paper was received by the journal on February 1, 2012. A revision was received on February 29, and the paper was accepted on March 12. This suggests that the peer review process and substantive revisions occurred within a period of just five weeks. According to the peer review policy of the Social Science Research website hosted by Elsevier, the first step of the review process is an initial manuscript evaluation by the editor. Once deemed to meet minimum criteria, at least 2 experts are secured for a peer review. The website states that, “Typically manuscripts are reviewed within 2-3 months of submission but substantially longer review times are not uncommon” and that “Revised manuscripts are usually returned to the initial referees upon receipt.” Clearly, Dr. Regnerus’ paper was returned to him very quickly, because he had time to revise the manuscript and get it back to the journal by February 29th. Further, it appears that a second substantive peer review may not have occurred as the paper was accepted just two weeks after the revision was submitted.
The five-week submission to acceptance length was much shorter than all of the other articles published in the July 2012 issue. The average period of review for papers published in this issue was more than a year and the median review time was more than ten months. As we note below, there are substantial concerns about the merits of this paper, and these concerns should have been identified through a thorough and rigorous peer review process.”
Ken: What you’ve written here is not at all unusual for the variable peer-review process. It seems to me that you’re looking for a reason to reject this particular paper, or perhaps to discredit its conclusions? Obviously the journal editor disagreed with you and published it. Faster publication time generally suggests the reviewers were satisfied as well.
But let me ask you this– would any sociology paper that attempts to answer the question of whether or not same-sex parenting is as effective as traditional parenting using statistics convince you one way or the other? How would you design an experiment that controls all the nonexperimental variables in raising a human child?
“But let me ask you this– would any sociology paper that attempts to answer the question of whether or not same-sex parenting is as effective as traditional parenting using statistics convince you one way or the other? How would you design an experiment that controls all the nonexperimental variables in raising a human child?” Actually compare same-sex couples to heterosexual couples for one thing, which Regneurs explicitly didn’t do…but he said it did anyways.
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/06/gay_parents_are_they_really_no_different_.html
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2012/06/new_family_structures_study_is_gay_parenthood_bad_or_is_gay_marriage_good_.html
Yes, and sites entitled “Right Wing Watch” or below, “Freedom to Marry,” are free of bias as the Family Research Council and would never cherry pick data. As well, to accuse Moira of being a “one-off” or to engage in the discredited tactic of “but they do it toooooo….”
Not to worry. Hollywood will produce some agitprop showing happy, well adjusted children of same-sex parents, and much of the American public, deprived of critical thinking skills from a declining and co-opted public school system, will lap it up. At least, Jacob, you can hope.
AK: “Hollywood will produce….”
Exactly! And, just as we’ve done to children from intact families, re-blended families, single families, etc, we’ll let our children from SSF wonder what is wrong with them that they can’t achieve this “happiness” that is so available and so easily attained.
Tisha, it is what happens to any society that is under attack and targeted for self-destruction. Canaanites sacrificed their children to Moloch. The Third Reich sacrificed their children to the Fuhrerprinzip. And now we are sacrificing ours to unrestrained Eros, against which which classical Greek philosophers, the Israelites who did not fall by the wayside, and Christianity which has been able to stay true to both Scripture and tradition, have and continue to warn…..
Jacob you are another defender of abusers? People who abuse and get pleasure from it are those the ones you think are victims? You defend this. Why? It is not bigoted or a hater to tell people our lived experience. The Gay community is dangerous to children and other COGs will play this out in the courts as well. All the studies are already falling apart. A few more court cases and convictions and game over.
Um, all I am doing is showing how the studies your guys use are flawed. I know what happened to her was bad, but not representative of all gay couples, and the flaws in the studies you use to support this makes me suspicious.
Moira, my heart bleeds for you. I admire your stand for truth and for trying to help those who couldn’t help themselves. I pray that God blesses you abundantly for the rest of your life to reward you for your courage and to console you for the horror of your childhood. You ARE doing the right thing in speaking out about this.
Did anyone else watch the Tony Awards show? The big winner in the musical categories was “Fun Home”, an adaption of lesbian comic artist Alison Bechdel’s autobiographical graphic novel. The Tony show included an excerpt from the show: “Small Alison” ‘s passionate solo about seeing a butch workwoman in the local diner. It was sung by the show’s 11-year-old star.
Apparently nobody connected with the show or Broadway sees anything creepy about having a child acting out homosexual yearnings.
That and co-host Alan Cumming making explicit jokes about being homosexual.
Have we reached “Peak Gay”? I fear not.
I am sorry your parents failed in every way in meeting their obligations as human beings and as parents.
However, your cite (to a 3 year old proactive piece by the FRC) that relies on the debunked Regnerus study is where you went off the rails.
Here’s the executive summary of the Sherkat demolition of the Regnarus study
Click to access SherkatAuditSummary.pdf
Not everyone who evinces sympathy is your friend, and some are only using you.
Gee, Ken, if you didn’t have all the bogus LBGTQ studies that claim to endorse just about everything LBGTQ does or wants to do, even to the point of lowering the age of consent so that their pederasty fetishes aren’t criminalized any longer, what would you have to support your own position?
Do you think the opposition to SS ‘marriage’ and ‘parenting’ have no other resources from which to develop their positions? Do you think personal experience and witness, testimony from trusted sources and basic reason are not enlightening us all (even you) to the dangers of deliberately placing (forcing) children in these dysfunctional environments?
If you don’t want to use humanity as your source for insight into the truth, please cite anything out of the natural world that implies that ripping children from their biology to be granted as ‘gifts’ (aka sacrifices) to same sex anything (good luck finding a same sex ‘couple’ in nature) is good (ensures fitness) for the individual, species or the species society.
We’ll wait.
Meanwhile, why are your willing to risk the fitness of children, our species and society to accommodate only 1.6-2.0% of the population?
Should we similarly indulge all the other minority communities throughout our population?
Our primary concern is for children, and our society, overall – what is your primary concern?
Ken what you are not hearing or acknowledge what is being said. It is not just the parents as in two adults–It is a huge number of other adults in the community that enable the abuse and the abusers and covers it up and punishes the victim. They lie and have every manner of rationalization. It is a dangerous community, and ideology for children.
Tragic. See http://www.claytoncramer.com/csa.pdf for evidence that childhood sexual abuse causes homosexuality.
I loved your mother’s books for many years. I am…shocked and deeply disappointed to learn what I have here. I won’t sell those books that I have purchased, nor burn/destroy them (anathama to me), but I will donate them to a local prison or jail (places that are chronically short of books).
I am very sorry that you had the childhood you had. While mine wasn’t easy, it was no where as difficult as your was. I don’t know if you have children, but if you do…try to get beyond the horror that was your childhood and bring yours up…better/happier…words really do fail me. I always thought my life was tough, but, can’t begin to say that it was…
If you are ever in Michigan, (metro Detroit), you’ll always have a place to lay your head. It won’t be fancy, but it’s comfortable, and safe…
I just want to thank everyone for reading, sharing, and offering words of encouragement to Moira. As many of you understand, this is a journey which is long and hard for her. But I have been delighted, once again, by the quality of people and readers that this blog attracts. Thank you for supporting Moira. I know we will be hearing more from her in the future.
Words fail. I hope that all this attention, controversy, and fight, does not wear you down or wear you out. And I hope that somehow, through all of this, you can find solace with someone who can love all of who you are. God bless you and grant you peace.
I came upon this website/article by accident and was compelled to read it all. I am appalled at the whole horrible business. I continued to read the comments and noticed that the few disparaging the author and trying to disprove the evidence of child abuse/homosexual linkage were males. Pedophiles, perhaps?
Grannym, The ones defending LGBT and disparaging the author are not necessarily pederast themselves but they are LGBT and the supporter supporters. And they make clear another huge problem with LGBT as a movement and a community. You can see they would never defend or protect an abused child trapped in an LGBT home–never. That child is doomed because of these people.
These people will defend the abuser, they will protect the abuser. They will never protect the child or the victim. In fact they will do everything to silence and punish the victim. They will harass and hound the victim. The most important thing are the adults. They are so so dangerous to children it boggles my mind that people even believe one word they say.
IMHO’s point is particularly disturbing when you realize the implications for children placed within the gay community. If we can’t count on those who have consistent contact with the children of gay couples to report abuse, then these children are exponentially vulnerable to all kinds of behavior..
Why, why, WHY do we, as a society. with representatives from all walks of life, find it so acceptable to put children at risk in order to have our own needs met? Why is it so popular to treat our kids as our possessions, not our blessings to be cherished and nourished and put first before being released with the best we could give them? It’s just sad.
God be with you in your path to healing, thank you for standing up and advocating for the children who would otherwise be voiceless.